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Ok, thank you. Now blink example with QX0.1 works. But I can't add availibale addresses from dialog box for the c-ext. How to show them in the tree? May be write something in xml file?

I attached some experiments with task interval and blink example (only results with plots).

And how to get mobus folder from cvs? Clone version does not contain this folder (zip archive too).

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Hi Viacheslav




On 29.10.2017 16:37, [hidden email] wrote:
> Ok, thank you. Now blink example with QX0.1 works. But I can't add
> availibale addresses from dialog box for the c-ext. How to show them
> in the tree? May be write something in xml file?

  You will need to implement the following method in your Beremiz plugin:
     def GetVariableLocationTree(self): ...

>
> And how to get mobus folder from cvs? Clone version does not contain
> this folder (zip archive too).
>

  You can get this off my repository,
   http://bitbucket.org/mjsousa/modbus
  Please note that I have only tested the Modbus/TCP version (which was
what I needed at the time). This version requires a POSIX OS.


   Cheers,

           Mario



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Ok, I'll try.

What IDE is better for python development? Is it possible to set breakpoints in the source code (python)?

Also I want to implement dubugger for AVR target and can you explain how it works in few words? It works other tcp? Where I can read about debug protocol?

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Currently there is no reference implementation of debug protocol.

But you can use Smartechs implementation of serial protocol, or ourimplementation serial protocol implementation as a starting point.

Best regards,
Paul Beltyukov


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> Ok, I'll try.
>
> What IDE is better for python development? Is it possible to set breakpoints in the source code (python)?
>
> Also I want to implement dubugger for AVR target and can you explain how it works in few words? It works other tcp? Where I can read about debug protocol?
>
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Hi Viacheslav,

On 17-10-31 21:31, [hidden email] wrote:
> Ok, I'll try.
>
> What IDE is better for python development? Is it possible to set breakpoints in the source code (python)?
I'm using emacs, colleage of mine is using PyCharm. breakpoints can be set
in both. Take PyCharm, it's easier.

> Also I want to implement dubugger for AVR target and can you explain
> how it works in few words?
> It works other tcp?
> Where I can read about debug protocol?
Obviously in the source. ;-)
The object that handles communication with a target is called
'connector'.

Exact protocol usually depends on used target.
For targets with python runtime (like GNU/Linux, Win32) Beremiz uses
Pyro or WAMP (it works over TCP).

For targets without TCP usually debug over serial line is used.
Examples: Smarteh's LPCManager for LPC-2.MC8, Nucleron's YAPLC, PLCs
from Nefteavtomatika.

If you are going to use debug over serial (Are you?), I'd strongly
recommend to reuse existing implementation of the protocol and don't
do duplicate work and maintain own version.
How the serial protocol is implemented you can look in YAPLC repository [1].

1. https://github.com/nucleron/IDE/tree/master/yaplcconnectors/YAPLC

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Ok, thank you. I'll try to read.

One more question. How to implement extension as a 'library' which contains: functional blocks, types (as struct if possible), constants and functions? The last is more interesting for me.
I want to have several "libraries" for different devices (based on different avr mcu). Or I must use different projects for each kind of device?

For now I use notepad++ for python developing and I can add IO configuration in the c_ext tree (it works), but how to hide c implementation (source code in editor) from user? Is it possible?

> Hi Viacheslav,
>
> On 17-10-31 21:31, [hidden email] wrote:
>
>> Ok, I'll try.
>>
>> What IDE is better for python development? Is it possible to set breakpoints in the source code (python)?
>
> I'm using emacs, colleage of mine is using PyCharm. breakpoints can be set
> in both. Take PyCharm, it's easier.
>
>> Also I want to implement dubugger for AVR target and can you explain
>> how it works in few words?
>> It works other tcp?
>> Where I can read about debug protocol?
>
> Obviously in the source. ;-)
> The object that handles communication with a target is called
> 'connector'.
>
> Exact protocol usually depends on used target.
> For targets with python runtime (like GNU/Linux, Win32) Beremiz uses
> Pyro or WAMP (it works over TCP).
>
> For targets without TCP usually debug over serial line is used.
> Examples: Smarteh's LPCManager for LPC-2.MC8, Nucleron's YAPLC, PLCs
> from Nefteavtomatika.
>
> If you are going to use debug over serial (Are you?), I'd strongly
> recommend to reuse existing implementation of the protocol and don't
> do duplicate work and maintain own version.
> How the serial protocol is implemented you can look in YAPLC repository [1].
>
> 1. https://github.com/nucleron/IDE/tree/master/yaplcconnectors/YAPLC
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Andrey Skvortsov

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Hi Viacheslav,

On 17-11-01 12:39, [hidden email] wrote:
> Ok, thank you. I'll try to read.
>
> One more question. How to implement extension as a 'library' which contains: functional blocks, types (as struct if possible), constants and functions? The last is more interesting for me.
> I want to have several "libraries" for different devices (based on different avr mcu). Or I must use different projects for each kind of device?
How to put own IEC function blocks and functions into own library look at
Native lib in Beremiz. It's pretty easy.
See features.py, Native.py, Native.xml.

> For now I use notepad++ for python developing and I can add IO
> configuration in the c_ext tree (it works), but how to hide c
> implementation (source code in editor) from user? Is it possible?

As was said before you need to implement own Beremiz extension.
Carefully reread my and Marios's previous answers and read existing
recommended extensions in Beremiz.


>
> > Hi Viacheslav,
> >
> > On 17-10-31 21:31, [hidden email] wrote:
> >
> >> Ok, I'll try.
> >>
> >> What IDE is better for python development? Is it possible to set breakpoints in the source code (python)?
> >
> > I'm using emacs, colleage of mine is using PyCharm. breakpoints can be set
> > in both. Take PyCharm, it's easier.
> >
> >> Also I want to implement dubugger for AVR target and can you explain
> >> how it works in few words?
> >> It works other tcp?
> >> Where I can read about debug protocol?
> >
> > Obviously in the source. ;-)
> > The object that handles communication with a target is called
> > 'connector'.
> >
> > Exact protocol usually depends on used target.
> > For targets with python runtime (like GNU/Linux, Win32) Beremiz uses
> > Pyro or WAMP (it works over TCP).
> >
> > For targets without TCP usually debug over serial line is used.
> > Examples: Smarteh's LPCManager for LPC-2.MC8, Nucleron's YAPLC, PLCs
> > from Nefteavtomatika.
> >
> > If you are going to use debug over serial (Are you?), I'd strongly
> > recommend to reuse existing implementation of the protocol and don't
> > do duplicate work and maintain own version.
> > How the serial protocol is implemented you can look in YAPLC repository [1].
> >
> > 1. https://github.com/nucleron/IDE/tree/master/yaplcconnectors/YAPLC
> >
> > --
> > Best regards,
> > Andrey Skvortsov
>
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One more thing. I'm a professional Codesys programmer. I use the latest Codesys version (3.5.11.x). I know enough about new IEC standart, debugging, visualization, how to write drivers for Codesys and how it works (using C and / or ST). We using PLCs which is own developed.
So, I see how Beremiz (IDE) is far from the Codesys for example. If I will start developing something using python I will bring big changes because I have different experience (from you) in automation, visualization (and HMI developing).

How will you react to the big changes? They can be very different from what you are used to or what you are trying to achieve. If I can add avr target (with your help) in few days ... it's scary to imagine what I'll do with a simpler python :) (when I get acquainted with him)

Arduino is my hobby and I want to have something similar to Codesys as IDE.

I can show you the "Quick start" video where you can see how simple create projects in Codesys (and use this IDE).

Link (all content is mine except voice): https://yadi.sk/i/woJAtikg3PJAR8 (rus)

Viacheslav

> Hi Viacheslav,
>
> On 17-11-01 12:39, [hidden email] wrote:
>
>> Ok, thank you. I'll try to read.
>>
>> One more question. How to implement extension as a 'library' which contains: functional blocks, types (as struct if possible), constants and functions? The last is more interesting for me.
>> I want to have several "libraries" for different devices (based on different avr mcu). Or I must use different projects for each kind of device?
>
> How to put own IEC function blocks and functions into own library look at
> Native lib in Beremiz. It's pretty easy.
> See features.py, Native.py, Native.xml.
>
>> For now I use notepad++ for python developing and I can add IO
>> configuration in the c_ext tree (it works), but how to hide c
>> implementation (source code in editor) from user? Is it possible?
>
> As was said before you need to implement own Beremiz extension.
> Carefully reread my and Marios's previous answers and read existing
> recommended extensions in Beremiz.
>
>>> Hi Viacheslav,
>>>
>>> On 17-10-31 21:31, [hidden email] wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ok, I'll try.
>>>>
>>>> What IDE is better for python development? Is it possible to set breakpoints in the source code (python)?
>>>
>>> I'm using emacs, colleage of mine is using PyCharm. breakpoints can be set
>>> in both. Take PyCharm, it's easier.
>>>
>>>> Also I want to implement dubugger for AVR target and can you explain
>>>> how it works in few words?
>>>> It works other tcp?
>>>> Where I can read about debug protocol?
>>>
>>> Obviously in the source. ;-)
>>> The object that handles communication with a target is called
>>> 'connector'.
>>>
>>> Exact protocol usually depends on used target.
>>> For targets with python runtime (like GNU/Linux, Win32) Beremiz uses
>>> Pyro or WAMP (it works over TCP).
>>>
>>> For targets without TCP usually debug over serial line is used.
>>> Examples: Smarteh's LPCManager for LPC-2.MC8, Nucleron's YAPLC, PLCs
>>> from Nefteavtomatika.
>>>
>>> If you are going to use debug over serial (Are you?), I'd strongly
>>> recommend to reuse existing implementation of the protocol and don't
>>> do duplicate work and maintain own version.
>>> How the serial protocol is implemented you can look in YAPLC repository [1].
>>>
>>> 1. https://github.com/nucleron/IDE/tree/master/yaplcconnectors/YAPLC
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best regards,
>>> Andrey Skvortsov
>>
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On 17-11-01 14:14, [hidden email] wrote:
> One more thing. I'm a professional Codesys programmer. I use the
> latest Codesys version (3.5.11.x). I know enough about new IEC
> standart, debugging, visualization, how to write drivers for Codesys
> and how it works (using C and / or ST). We using PLCs which is own
> developed.

> So, I see how Beremiz (IDE) is far from the Codesys for example. If
> I will start developing something using python I will bring big
> changes because I have different experience (from you) in
> automation, visualization (and HMI developing).

I'm professional CODESYS programmer as well and I know new IEC 61131-3
standard, can write CODESYS device drivers and port CODESYS runtime to
new hardware as well. AFAIK many people on this ML know/use CODESYS/Step7
and other commercial tools.


> How will you react to the big changes? They can be very different
> from what you are used to or what you are trying to achieve. If I
> can add avr target (with your help) in few days ... it's scary to
> imagine what I'll do with a simpler python :) (when I get acquainted
> with him)

We are very welcome to new contributions, but big changes should be
better discussed first on mailing list, because there are users
(and commercial products) that depend on Beremiz.

> Arduino is my hobby and I want to have something similar to Codesys as IDE.
>

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Hi Viacheslav,

it'd be very helpful, if you could write some instructions for newcomers
based on your work and our answers into Beremiz wiki [1].
Write access to wiki is available for everyone.
How to add new library, new extension, new target are typical questions and
it'd be nice to have some started wiki articles about these (and any
other) topics, that we can extend and point newcomers to.

1. https://bitbucket.org/skvorl/beremiz/wiki/Home


On 17-11-01 11:14, [hidden email] wrote:

> Hi Viacheslav,
>
> On 17-11-01 12:39, [hidden email] wrote:
> > Ok, thank you. I'll try to read.
> >
> > One more question. How to implement extension as a 'library' which contains: functional blocks, types (as struct if possible), constants and functions? The last is more interesting for me.
> > I want to have several "libraries" for different devices (based on different avr mcu). Or I must use different projects for each kind of device?
> How to put own IEC function blocks and functions into own library look at
> Native lib in Beremiz. It's pretty easy.
> See features.py, Native.py, Native.xml.
>
> > For now I use notepad++ for python developing and I can add IO
> > configuration in the c_ext tree (it works), but how to hide c
> > implementation (source code in editor) from user? Is it possible?
>
> As was said before you need to implement own Beremiz extension.
> Carefully reread my and Marios's previous answers and read existing
> recommended extensions in Beremiz.
>
>
> >
> > > Hi Viacheslav,
> > >
> > > On 17-10-31 21:31, [hidden email] wrote:
> > >
> > >> Ok, I'll try.
> > >>
> > >> What IDE is better for python development? Is it possible to set breakpoints in the source code (python)?
> > >
> > > I'm using emacs, colleage of mine is using PyCharm. breakpoints can be set
> > > in both. Take PyCharm, it's easier.
> > >
> > >> Also I want to implement dubugger for AVR target and can you explain
> > >> how it works in few words?
> > >> It works other tcp?
> > >> Where I can read about debug protocol?
> > >
> > > Obviously in the source. ;-)
> > > The object that handles communication with a target is called
> > > 'connector'.
> > >
> > > Exact protocol usually depends on used target.
> > > For targets with python runtime (like GNU/Linux, Win32) Beremiz uses
> > > Pyro or WAMP (it works over TCP).
> > >
> > > For targets without TCP usually debug over serial line is used.
> > > Examples: Smarteh's LPCManager for LPC-2.MC8, Nucleron's YAPLC, PLCs
> > > from Nefteavtomatika.
> > >
> > > If you are going to use debug over serial (Are you?), I'd strongly
> > > recommend to reuse existing implementation of the protocol and don't
> > > do duplicate work and maintain own version.
> > > How the serial protocol is implemented you can look in YAPLC repository [1].
> > >
> > > 1. https://github.com/nucleron/IDE/tree/master/yaplcconnectors/YAPLC
> > >
> > > --
> > > Best regards,
> > > Andrey Skvortsov
> >
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I can do that only in russian. And I need more time to do more experiments with avr target.

If I add anything, then this should be understandable for use by Arduino users. PLC programming is more difficult to understand then sketches. Also debugging feature must have. I can make it thru serial line or over TCP/IP.

Viacheslav

> Hi Viacheslav,
>
> it'd be very helpful, if you could write some instructions for newcomers
> based on your work and our answers into Beremiz wiki [1].
> Write access to wiki is available for everyone.
> How to add new library, new extension, new target are typical questions and
> it'd be nice to have some started wiki articles about these (and any
> other) topics, that we can extend and point newcomers to.
>
> 1. https://bitbucket.org/skvorl/beremiz/wiki/Home
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Andrey Skvortsov

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On 17-11-01 15:15, [hidden email] wrote:
> I can do that only in russian. And I need more time to do more experiments with avr target.
That is better that nothing. We can translate it later.

> If I add anything, then this should be understandable for use by
> Arduino users. PLC programming is more difficult to understand then
> sketches. Also debugging feature must have. I can make it thru
> serial line or over TCP/IP.

>
> Viacheslav
>
> > Hi Viacheslav,
> >
> > it'd be very helpful, if you could write some instructions for newcomers
> > based on your work and our answers into Beremiz wiki [1].
> > Write access to wiki is available for everyone.
> > How to add new library, new extension, new target are typical questions and
> > it'd be nice to have some started wiki articles about these (and any
> > other) topics, that we can extend and point newcomers to.
> >
> > 1. https://bitbucket.org/skvorl/beremiz/wiki/Home
> >
> > --
> > Best regards,
> > Andrey Skvortsov
>
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> We are very welcome to new contributions, but big changes should be
> better discussed first on mailing list, because there are users
> (and commercial products) that depend on Beremiz.

Hmm, ok. Also my basic specialization is electronic engineer. I can develop my own device based on avr mcu and make it commercial.
In this case my big changes will be more significant? :)

In fact, there is already a similar PLC, which can be used with Beremiz - NC-8DI-2R-2DO. I'll try it after Proteus model and Arduino.

Viacheslav

> On 17-11-01 14:14, [hidden email] wrote:
>
>> One more thing. I'm a professional Codesys programmer. I use the
>> latest Codesys version (3.5.11.x). I know enough about new IEC
>> standart, debugging, visualization, how to write drivers for Codesys
>> and how it works (using C and / or ST). We using PLCs which is own
>> developed.
>
>> So, I see how Beremiz (IDE) is far from the Codesys for example. If
>> I will start developing something using python I will bring big
>> changes because I have different experience (from you) in
>> automation, visualization (and HMI developing).
>
> I'm professional CODESYS programmer as well and I know new IEC 61131-3
> standard, can write CODESYS device drivers and port CODESYS runtime to
> new hardware as well. AFAIK many people on this ML know/use CODESYS/Step7
> and other commercial tools.
>
>> How will you react to the big changes? They can be very different
>> from what you are used to or what you are trying to achieve. If I
>> can add avr target (with your help) in few days ... it's scary to
>> imagine what I'll do with a simpler python :) (when I get acquainted
>> with him)
>
> We are very welcome to new contributions, but big changes should be
> better discussed first on mailing list, because there are users
> (and commercial products) that depend on Beremiz.
>
>> Arduino is my hobby and I want to have something similar to Codesys as IDE.
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Andrey Skvortsov

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Re: [Beremiz-devel] Build sources using avr-gcc

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Hi Viacheslav,

On 17-11-01 15:32, [hidden email] wrote:
> > We are very welcome to new contributions, but big changes should be
> > better discussed first on mailing list, because there are users
> > (and commercial products) that depend on Beremiz.
>
> Hmm, ok. Also my basic specialization is electronic engineer. I can
> develop my own device based on avr mcu and make it commercial.
> In this case my big changes will be more significant? :)
I think it depends on the change. But contributions from experienced
motivated electronic engineers are very welcome. ;-)

> In fact, there is already a similar PLC, which can be used with Beremiz - NC-8DI-2R-2DO. I'll try it after Proteus model and Arduino.
Good luck. We'd be glad to read about your achievements.

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Best regards,
Andrey Skvortsov

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